As Marvel’s big summer event, Secret Empire, winds down, the strangest thing to happen in the story might still be a throwaway line in the very first issue. We reached out to Dr. Grant Ritchey, dentist and skeptical activist, to try to figure it out.

In Secret Empire #1, Captain America has become an evil fascist bent on brutal control of the population, and he gets some odd, sinister advice from Dr. Faustus on how to further that goal.

Of course we all know this is from a comic book and it couldn’t really happen, right? Of course it couldn’t.

But it captures the imagination of its readers by playing to some longstanding fears about fluoride in general, and water fluoridation policies across the United States in particular.

Chemical Boogeyman

Fluoride comes in many forms, but it all works the same way. The crystalline molecule that makes up tooth enamel is called hydroxyapatite (HA), and it’s the toughest substance in the human body. Despite its strength, it’s susceptible to attack by acids, like the ones produced by bacteria in the presence of sugars. With fluoridation, the hydroxyl ion (-OH) in HA is replaced by a fluoride ion, which renders the crystal much more resistant to dissolution.

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It’s a simple and well-understood process, but fluoride opponents make many outrageous, unsupported claims which can frighten those who aren’t informed about the science. They say it can lead to a host of diseases; from multiple sclerosis to lowered IQ in children to Alzheimer’s Disease and everything in between; to stranger claims, like, “It calcifies your pineal gland, the seat of your Third Eye.”

Because there are fluoride-containing molecules in fertilizers and chemicals used in certain industries, anti-fluoridationists use emotionally-charged language such as, “The government is putting industrial waste in your water.” There’s also a meme passed around that claims Adolf Hitler used fluoride to pacify the Jews (and ostensibly where the idea for the Secret Empire line came from).

While clearly ludicrous, these claims are nonetheless frightening to many, and a lot of people prefer to take the “better safe than sorry” approach. Others accept the science and safety of water fluoridation, but oppose it on grounds that something is being added to the water supply involuntarily, and that this is an infringement on individual rights and liberties.

Can’t make this stuff up. Well, someone did.

Medical Marvel

The truth of the matter is that fluoride has been added to municipal water supplies for over 70 years, with tremendously positive results. The Centers for Disease Control have designated community water fluoridation as one of the top 10 public health achievements of the 20th century. Initially, fluoridation reduced dental caries (tooth decay) by as much as 60%, but now that dentists have many more preventive strategies at their disposal (e.g. dental sealants), and since fluoride is found in many sources other than municipal water supplies, that number has dropped.

That being said, community water fluoridation still confers an additional 25% caries reduction, even when taking into consideration other sources of fluoride. It’s estimated that every dollar spent on water fluoridation prevents $38.00 of dental treatment. That is a great return on taxpayer investment, and is even more significant when you realize that the people who benefit the most from fluoridation are the people who might not have access to dental care due to financial challenges or lack of dental insurance.

Despite the fear-mongering and popular misinformation, the science of fluoride risks and benefits is clear. It is a safe, effective, and inexpensive public health measure that has not only saved billions of dollars in health care costs over the decades, but also untold amounts of pain, suffering, and lost productivity. Until the government perfects the mass delivery of a tooth decay-preventing agent via chemtrails, water fluoridation is the best dental health bargain we have.

Wake up, sheeple!

Grant Ritchey contributes to the Science-Based Medicine blog and hosts the Prism Podcast, which explores the spectrum of science, medicine, and critical thinking. His areas of interest are in alternative medicine, pseudoscience of all stripes, cognitive biases/logical fallacies, and in employing effective communication skills to respectfully engage one another.

  • James Reeves

    It is immoral and unethical to force fluoride or any drug on all citizens without their consent.
    A doctor or dentist cannot force that on ANYONE. They would lose their license to practice if they did.
    It should be illegal for the government to force it on EVERYONE without consent.

    Some say fluoride helps CHILDREN’S teeth as they form. That is certainly questionable, but:
    It is important to ask — exactly why should an ADULT be sentenced to take this toxic chemical, fluoride, in every glass of water every day of life?

    Fluoridation results in slow poisoning over a lifetime which causes premature ageing, thyroid damage, dental fluorosis, lowered IQ, ADHD, brittle bones (broken hips & arthritis), kidney damage, cancer and other health dangers.
    Read this excellent book, “The Case Against Fluoride” authored by three scientists, one an M.D. It contains over 1200 scientific references, over 80 pages.

    So, while 74% of the U.S. is forced to drink fluoridate water, only 5% of the world and only 3% of Europe fluoridate their water.

    • David Fierstien

      Wow . . that’s quite a litany of ailments you’ve presented, Mr. Reeves.

      Please cite one documented case in which any of those things ever happened to any human being because they drank optimally fluoridated water . . even for as much as a lifetime.

      Since no such person exists, I look forward to your non-answer.

      • James Reeves

        Poor Joe is quire insulted because you refuse to recognize his serious problems from fluoride. Shame on you.
        See his sad story above.

    • Russ Dobler

      How about chemtrails, James?

      • James Reeves

        Russ:
        I suggest that you stick to the subject. You can discuss your chemtrails beliefs some other place.

        Most of the world has learned the truth and rejected the fluoridation idea. It is instructive that only 5% of the world population and only 3% of Europe fluoride their drinking water. China and Japan have rejected it years ago.

        • Russ Dobler

          It’s pertinent — chemtrails are another method the government employs to poison us. So what do you think?

          • James Reeves

            Maybe you ae correct. I don’t know about chemtrails
            The poison from fluoridation is bad enough.

            It is immoral and unethical to force fluoride or any drug on all citizens without their consent.
            A doctor or dentist cannot force that on ANYONE. They would lose their license to practice if they did.

            It should be illegal for the government to force it on EVERYONE without consent.

            Use as much fluoride in your own glass of water as you like. Just leave the rest of us out of being forced to consume it. It must be a matter of choice and informed consent.
            We all deserve that.

          • Russ Dobler

            If you don’t want water fluoridation, you can move to Portland. How do you get away from the very air that we breathe? We don’t even KNOW what they’re putting in chemtrails. How can you not be concerned? Logically, the implications of chemtrails loom MUCH larger than simple water fluoridation.

          • James Reeves

            Russ: Thanks for the tip. Portland rejected fluoridation a couple of years ago. In addition to poisoning people, the runoff would have decimated their salmon.

            Being the U.S. has more fluoridation then the whole world combined, I could move many places. However, I am concerned with trying to protect the many cities as they learn the truth about the health dangers.

            Also thanks for leading the charge on chemtrails. It does sound bad.

          • David Fierstien

            No, James, the runoff would not have harmed the salmon. Here’s why:

            Salmon live in the ocean. The ocean has more than twice the concentration of fluoride as optimally fluoridated water. Salmon are not decimated from the ocean’s fluoride when they swim around in it.

          • James Reeves

            Sorry: You seem to know less bout salmon, which spawn in the rivers then about the health dangers of fluoride.

            Study up and don’t embarrass yourself any further.

          • David Fierstien

            Yes, James, salmon spawn in rivers. And then they swim to the ocean where they live out their lives. When they swim back into fluoride-free rivers to spawn, they die.

          • You don’t understand the biology, which is hardly surprising. The effect of a given fluoride concentration on salmon is not the same in salt water as it is in freshwater. That was explained by a local environmental scientist in the lead up to the vote in Portland, but evidently you either weren’t paying attention or just don’t care.

          • David Fierstien

            Really? Got the name of this “local environmental scientist,” a link to his website, and his qualifications? I can’t wait to see this.

          • His name is Howard Patterson.

            I’m not going to try to explain anything to you, because you can’t cure stupid. What I write is for the benefit of sane people, not your benefit.

          • David Fierstien

            Patterson’s deceptive use of the fluoride effects from the pollution of an aluminum plant are not relevant to Community Water Fluoridation.

            However, more relevant to the effects of water fluoridation on the environment (and specifically salmon) is this:

            “”The concentration of fluoride in the treated water does not reach levels that could harm any plant or animal species.11,12 A report of the effect of industrial pollu­tion, from an aluminum plant on salmon indicated that the usual fluoride concentration of the river was 0.1 mg/L, and when the concentration was raised experi­mentally to 0.5 mg/L, there was an effect on the salmon.15 Since rivers and streams are not fluoridated and the increase in the fluoride concentration of a river as a result of runoff from fluoridated water would be insufficient to raise the level to even 0.2 mg/L, fluoridation of water can have no effect on salmon.”

            —Water Fluoridation and the Environment: Current Perspective in the United States
            Howard F. Pollick, BDS, MPH
            Int J Occup Environ Health 2004;10:343–350

            I would explain why your deceptive video is irrelevant, but you can’t cure stupid.

    • Steve Slott

      James

      Until you can provide valid, peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support your comical claims, you are doing but wasting space here.

      Steven D. Slott, DDS
      Communications Officer
      American Fluoridation Society

  • https://forcedfluoridationfreedomfighters.com/a-preliminary-investigation-into-fluoride-accumulation-in-bone/

    Anyone who thinks that delivering any medication by dumping it into public water supplies is scientific is scientifically illiterate. On top of that, fluoride is highly toxic and a cumulative poison, like lead, arsenic, and mercury. I have asked many forced-fluoridation fanatics to tell me how much accumulated fluoride in the body they think is safe. So far not a single one of them has been able to answer the question. It is unlikely to just be a coincidence that the US, Australia, and Ireland, which have had high rates of forced-fluoridation for decades, also have high rates of joint problems, and poor health outcomes in general.

    • David Fierstien

      “Highly Toxic and a Cumulative poison?” Really?

      I have asked many anti-fluoride fanatics to cite even one documented case in which any human being was harmed in any way from drinking optimally fluoridated water . . even for as much as a lifetime.

      So far, not a single one of them has been able to provide even one documented case of harm.
      . . . Yourself included, Danger Mouse.

      And you can’t be serious with this: “the US, Australia, and Ireland, which have had high rates of forced-fluoridation for decades, also have high rates of joint problems, and poor health outcomes in general.”

      Aside from the fact that we are living longer now . . maybe we just sit around more and watch more TV, which could also explain the joint problems. It’s odd that you attribute every human ailment to water fluoridation without a shred of proof.

      You’re quite a little scientist, aren’t you, DM.

      • James Reeves

        It is sad. There are millions damaged by fluoride and suffering just like Poor Joe.

        Poor Joe heard that fluoride was good for young children’s teeth. But because it was in the drinking water, he still had to consume it in every glass of water, every day of his life. It offered nothing for adults once their teeth were formed, and there is not one scientific study to show it is effective and safe for all public groups.

        He didn’t know that fluoridation results in slow poisoning over a lifetime which causes thyroid damage, dental fluorosis, lowered IQ, brittle bones (broken hips & arthritis), kidney damage, cancer and other health dangers.

        So Joe is now in very bad condition. He wishes he was able to respond himself.
        Thanks for your concern.

        • David Fierstien

          Thanks for proving the point, Mr. Reeves, and NOT presenting even one documented case of harm to any person from drinking optimally fluoridated water.

          There is something sad here, but it’s not “poor Joe.”

          • James Reeves

            I understand. Promoters of this industrial toxic waste fluoride, hydrofluorosilicic acid, refuse to acknowledge any resulting health damages.

            Scientists have reported that fluoride is extremely difficult to eliminate from the body, as those of us with perfect kidneys can only get rid of half of it. Those with kidney problems (diabetics and pre-diabetics) eliminate very little, and babies can only eliminate 20 percent.

            Over a lifetime, 50% of all fluoride consumed remains in the body (bones, brain, etc.). How much is safe, as Mr. Germouse asks? Promoters don’t know, and of course won’t say.
            Fluoride is a deadly poison and certainly not a nutrient. It is no wonder that it causes serious health issues like dental fluorosis, thyroid damage, brittle bones (broken hips), arthritis, cancer, etc.

          • Dr. Grant Ritchey

            I appreciate you weighing in with your views, and I would welcome an open, respectful discussion regarding the risks vs. benefits of fluoride. Anti-fluoridation proponents trot out the same list of problems that fluoride allegedly causes, but typically can not cite a single good study to support their clams. (The reason? There aren’t any.) So what ends up happening is that a large group of anti-Fl people repeat the same claims over and over and over, hoping that repetition will equate to validity.

            “I don’t believe just ’cause ideas are tenacious it means they’re worthy.”

            – Tim Minchin

          • James Reeves

            Tim:
            Thanks for your view. It is similar to most promoters of this toxic chemical, hydrofluorosilicic acid, an industrial waste product, who refuse to go read the current science. It won’t be in dental journals because for 70 years they refuse to publish one (EVEN ONE) study which reflects poorly on fluoridation. Can you find one?
            Therefore, I suggest you go where a collection of over 1200 scientific studies are conveniently located. It will open your eyes.

            Read this excellent book, “The Case Against Fluoride” authored by three scientists, one an M.D. It contains over 1200 scientific references, over 80 pages.

            So, while 74% of the U.S. is forced to drink fluoridate water, only 5% of the world and only 3% of Europe fluoridate their water.

          • David Fierstien

            Mr. Reeves, I’ve read the Case Against Fluoride. There aren’t “1200 scientific studies” in that book. While there are 1200 references, a great majority of them are repetitive . . Many of them are of TV programs, Magazine articles, Newspaper articles, Personal letters, Some irrelevant studies . . . most not relevant to optimally fluoridated water.

            Moreover, in that book there is not even one documented case of any human being who was ever harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water . . . even for as much as a lifetime.

            This is because no one has ever been harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water.

          • James Reeves

            Of course, of course — promoters typically try to detract from any scientific studies reporting the truth about the dangers of fluoridation.

            We don’t need their book report. Just go read the wonjderful book yourself. It won’t be in dental journals because for 70 years they refuse to publish one (EVEN ONE) study which reflects poorly on fluoridation. Can you find one? It is the big money effect.

          • James Reeves

            We all understand. A book report by promoters of the toxic industrial waste, hydrofluorosilicic acid, revives the old saying “—-, —. pants on fire.”
            Fortunately everyone can read the book and form their own opinion.

            The big money scam creates some strange opinions.

          • Steve Slott

            Until you can provide valid, peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support your ridiculous claims, you are doing nothing but wasting space here. Connett’s non peer-reviewed little book of conspiracy nonsense, obviously does not qualify as such.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • James Reeves

            It is immoral and unethical to force fluoride or any drug on all citizens without their consent.

            A doctor or dentist cannot force that on ANYONE. They would lose their license to practice if they did.

            It should be illegal for the government to force it on EVERYONE without consent.

            Use as much fluoride in your own glass of water as you like. Just leave the rest of us out of being forced to consume it. It must be a matter of choice and informed consent.
            We all deserve that.

          • What you have written is pure hypocrisy. The fact is you can’t cite a single moderate quality original research study which indicates that taking fluoride in water is anything but harmful and useless, let alone a good quality study. Unfortunately fluoridationism is tenacious despite being completely unworthy, and the reason for that is corruption. Tim Minchin studied arts, not science, by the way, and to my knowledge does not have any qualifications relevant to a scientific discussion. And the chemical symbol of fluorine is “F”, not “Fl”, genius.

          • Steve Slott

            See my comment above in which I have cited 10 peer-reviewed scientific studies clearly demonstrating the effectiveness of fluoridation in the prevention of dental decay in entire populations. I will gladly provide more if you so desire.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • David Fierstien

            This is the part where Danger Mouse goes away . . when you hit him with actual facts.

          • I already know it’s a fact that there are many very low quality “studies” (really just paid advertisements) which “demonstrate” the effectiveness of forced-fluoridation, and have read many of them. I often don’t bother to respond because you lot have absolutely nothing intelligent to say.

          • Steve Slott

            James Reeves doesn’t have views. He is unquestionably the most well documented purveyor of outright lies in regard to fluoridation who can be found on the internet. He has no useful information, only verbatim blurbs which he posts all over the internet repeatedly, regardless of how many times they have been clearly demonstrated to him to be false. As honesty and accuracy are of no interest to him, he is not subject to engaging in reasonable discussion.

            In spite of his overall worthlessness, however, James does serve one very useful function. He provides excellent example of the caliber of individuals with which one deals when according credence to antifluoridationists.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • James Reeves

            “There is nothing accurate, fair, or honest about anything Steven D. Slott, DDS says or posts about fluoridation. He’s a dental-industry puppet who is more concerned with getting certificates of appreciation from the industry for his fluoride propaganda than he is about actually helping people.”
            “How much money is he being paid by the American Fluoridation Society?”

            “Beware of newly formed, The American Fluoridation Society. It is a fake group to support the big money scheme of selling a deadly drug (fluoride) to communities.”

          • Steve Slott

            Until you can provide valid, peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support your ridiculous claim, you are doing nothing but wasting space here.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • James Reeves

            Some accuse Dr. Slott of being a paid troll, employed by the industries which benefit from the profits by selling this toxic waste fluoride, hydrofluorosilicic acid, to communities.

            Maybe he isn’t paid, but it is strange to see how extensively he promotes this outdated practice, and how he refuses to examine any scientific studies he disagrees with.

            His ad hominem attacks show how weak his arguments are.

          • Steven Slott

            Until you can produce valid, peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support your ridiculous claims, you are doing nothing but wasting space here.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • James Reeves

            It is important to know: why are adults forced to consume fluoride in every glass of water every day of life?

            There is no condition in the body that is fluoride deficient. It NEVER appears in adult multi-vitamins.
            An M.D. will NEVER prescribe it to any adult. Why would they when it is not a nutrient and will not cure any condition?

            Fluoride is the only drug forced on EVERYONE..
            Yet, yet, there is not one scientific study to prove fluoride (hydrofluorosilicic acid) is safe and effective for all members of the public, fetuses, infants, children, sensitive, kidney problems (pre-diabetics & diabetics), elderly, etc.
            This is immoral and should be illegal.

        • Steve Slott

          Until you can provide valid, peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support your ridiculous claims, you are doing nothing but wasting space here.

          Steven D. Slott, DDS
          Communications Officer
          American Fluoridation Society

          • James Reeves

            Please excuse Dr. Steven. He apparently doesn’t like the evidence from experts, and he keeps trying to promote the big money scheme of fluoridation. It is uncertain if he gets paid to do so, but the American Fluoridation Society is a fake organization recently established to promote the big money fluoride scam.

            Dentists are fine professionals and are oral cavity specialists, but are acting outside their areas of expertise concerning the health damage from fluoride in thyroids, brains (lowered IQ and ADHD), bones (broken hips and arthritis), kidneys, and cancer etc.
            Dentists are certainly not oncologists, pharmacologists, toxicologists, endocrinologists, neurologists or epidemiologists; the many experts in damages to organs caused by consuming fluoride.

          • Steven Slott

            Until you can provide valid, peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support your ridiculous claims, you are doing nothing but wasting space here.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • James Reeves

            Why are adults forced to consume fluoride in every glass of water every day of life?

            There is no condition in the body that is fluoride deficient. It NEVER appears in adult multi-vitamins.

            An M.D. will NEVER prescribe it to any adult. Why would they when it is not a nutrient and will not cure any condition?

            Fluoride is the only drug forced on EVERYONE..
            Yet, yet, there is not one scientific study to prove fluoride (hydrofluorosilicic acid) is safe and effective for all members of the public, fetuses, infants, children, sensitive, kidney problems (pre-diabetics & diabetics), elderly, etc.
            This is immoral and should be illegal.

      • https://forcedfluoridationfreedomfighters.com/2017/05/09/ama-pres-dr-michael-gannon-hypocrite/

        Fluoridationists are the world’s most shameless hypocrites, and you are a prime example.

        • David Fierstien

          So that’s a:

          “No, I can’t really provide a documented case of any harm to someone who drinks optimally fluoridated water. Nor can I provide a documented case of anyone who was harmed in any way because they drank it for their entire life. . . . That is because optimally fluoridated water doesn’t really harm people.”

          Is that right, DM?

          • Seabreezes1

            Liar, liar, pants on fire. When he is offered names, DF says there is no medical records or science backing up those claims. When he is given case studies and supporting evaluation, he objects to the anonymity of the people in the case studies. He’s a troll. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/12a13e7c9cee98ce1ed5eb2cd81b98434cdb621af7477c9b0b2abbafb66c0d9d.jpg

          • Seabreezes1
          • David Fierstien

            Right at the top of your link:

            “MOST OF THE FOLLOWING reversible ill effects caused by fluoride were first recognized among aluminum
            workers in the 1930s by the Danish health officer Dr. Kaj Roholm.”

            Irrelevant to drinking optimally fluoridated water.

            From your link from 50 years ago: “because specific unequivocal laboratory tests for chronic fluoride poisoning are not yet available, most physicians do not recognise the disease.”

            This confirms what I said. Waldbott provided little more than anecdotal stories from more than 50 years ago. He proved nothing. His conclusions were based on clues and his own bias.

            His exact words:

            “Some laboratory tests, however, may at least provide clues.”

            We know people were poisoned by lead in Flint because actual blood levels were measured. Not so with your stories.

            So you give me cutting-edge stories from more than 50 years ago. Great job, Karen. You are quite a scientist.

          • Steven Slott

            “Great two pager”

            More unsubstantiated nonsense posted on some antifluoridationist website. Karen, do you have any concept at all as to what constitutes valid scientific evidence from legitimate sources?

            And you wonder why you can’t get any respect for your claims?

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • David Fierstien

            Really, Karen? You have “sworn affidavits from doctors and lawyers?” Then where are the lawsuits?

            You are telling us that people have been poisoned and harmed by their own local governments . . that there is documented proof of this . . that lawyers are involved? All this in a country where McDonald’s was successfully sued because its coffee was too hot? And no lawsuits because of this intentional poisoning?

            That’s quite a story.

            Karen, the way we know that people were harmed from lead in drinking water in Flint, Michigan, is because lead levels in blood was actually measured.

            We know it because of the tireless and meticulous work of The University of Virginia’s Marc Edwards, who had his own grad students sift through municipal records in Flint.

            So, where are the medical records showing fluoride levels in blood?

            What you have given me was Waldbott, anecdotal stories from more than 50 years ago of people who developed hives when they lived in fluoridated cities, and whose hives magically disappeared when they moved out of those cities. Waldbott attributes it all to water fluoridation. Maybe it was the stress of city living.

            We don’t know. Waldbott didn’t take blood or bone samples to measure fluoride levels.

            You have given me Moolenburgh, a crazy anti-vaxxer, “cosmic-sound” guy whose idea of the scientific method is to take a baby bottle away from a crying infant to see what happens.

            And I see you, yourself, are among the list of “fluoridated water victims.” You, who have openly shown your photograph of yourself standing next to the highly fluoridated ocean, happily breathing in all that fluoridated ocean spray.

            Don’t you get hives when you get near the ocean, Karen?

            Where are the lawsuits? Where is the blood-work? And where are you? I won’t call you a liar, Karen, but something’s wrong somewhere.

          • David Fierstien

            Really, Karen? You have “sworn affidavits from doctors and lawyers?” Then where are the lawsuits?

            You are telling us that people have been poisoned and harmed by their own local governments . . that there is documented proof of this . . that lawyers are involved? All this in a country where McDonald’s was successfully sued because its coffee was too hot? And no lawsuits because of this intentional poisoning?

            That’s quite a story.

            Karen, the way we know that people were harmed from lead in drinking water in Flint, Michigan, is because lead levels in blood was actually measured.

            We know it because of the tireless and meticulous work of The University of Virginia’s Marc Edwards, who had his own grad students sift through municipal records in Flint.

            So, where are the medical records showing fluoride levels in blood?

            What you have given me was Waldbott, anecdotal stories from more than 50 years ago of people who developed hives when they lived in fluoridated cities, and whose hives magically disappeared when they moved out of those cities. Waldbott attributes it all to water fluoridation. Maybe it was the stress of city living.

            We don’t know. Waldbott didn’t take blood or bone samples to measure fluoride levels.

            You have given me Moolenburgh, a crazy anti-vaxxer, “cosmic-sound” guy whose idea of the scientific method is to take a baby bottle away from a crying infant to see what happens.

            And I see you, yourself, are among the list of “fluoridated water victims.” You, who have openly shown your photograph of yourself standing next to the highly fluoridated ocean, happily breathing in all that fluoridated ocean spray.

            Don’t you get hives when you get near the ocean, Karen?

            Where are the lawsuits? Where is the blood-work? And where are you? I won’t call you a liar, Karen, but something’s wrong somewhere.

          • David Fierstien

            I have addressed everything you have given me, Karen. Please refer to my comments below.

            First and Foremost, however, . . Please explain to us all, how, with all this documentation you claim you have provided . . with all this undeniable proof of harm from drinking optimally fluoridated water . .

            How is it that in a country where lawsuits are practically a way of life . . How is it that McDonald’s can be successfully sued because its coffee was too hot . . but local municipalities who intentionally poison and harm their citizens (with all this documentation that you claim exists) . . . have never been successfully sued for putting a fluoride additive in public water systems?

            In Fact, . . . No one, anywhere on the planet has ever been successfully sued by anyone who claimed to have been harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water.

            Instead of posting undocumented anecdotal stories all over the internet, Karen, why don’t you sue somebody? Surely that would end the practice of community water fluoridation in the U.S..

            And you tell us you are a victim of this intentional poisoning? Why don’t you sue somebody and put an end to water fluoridation?

            EXPLAIN THAT TO US, KAREN.

          • Steven Slott

            Seabreezes

            Seriously?

            You honestly equate unsubstantiated personal opinions, “case studies” of nameless people posted on little antifluoridationist websites, and anecdotes from this person or that……with being valid evidence??

            Wow, your ignorance of science is even greater than I imagined, if that’s even possible.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

    • Steve Slott

      1. There is no medication involved in water fluoridation. There are simply fluoride ions, identical to those which have always existed in water. Elementary chemistry.

      2. There is no substance known to man which is not highly toxic, including plain water. There is no more peer-reviewed scientific evidence of toxicity of fluoride at the optimal level at which water is fluoridated than there is of toxicity of plain water at its proper use amount.

      3. Lead and arsenic are of no more relevance to optimally fluoridated water than are little green men from Mars.

      4. There is no valid, peer-reviewed scientific evidence of an association of optimally fluoridated water with “high rates of joint problems, and poor health outcomes in general”, or with any other adverse effect, whatsoever……as evidenced by your inability to provide any such evidence.

      5. Your “question” has been answered countless times. Because you fail to comprehend the answer is a problem with your cognitive ability, not with water fluoridation.

      The amount of fluoride stored in hard tissues is not a linear constant. It fluctuates in accordance with its equilibrium with plasma levels of fluoride. Plasmas levels are determined by fluoride intake. The US Institute of Medicine has established the daily upper limit of total fluoride intake to be 10 mg before adverse effects will occur short or long term. Below the level of chronic daily fluoride intake of 10 mg, adverse effects are not known to occur. The first disorder risked by chronic daily intake of 10 mg or more fluoride, is skeletal fluorosis, a disorder so rare in the 74.7% fluoridated US as to be nearly non-existent.

      Given that the CDC has estimated 75% of total fluoride intake to be from water and beverages, a simple math equation demonstrates that before the daily upper limit could be attained in association with optimally fluoridated water, water toxicity would be the concern, not fluoride.

      Steven D. Slott, DDS
      Communications Officer
      American Fluoridation Society

      • Amongst other things, you still have no idea what the phrase “highly toxic” actually means, and don’t understand the difference between daily intake and accumulated amount. Why am I not surprised?

        • Steven Slott

          Ahh, so you dispute that water is “highly toxic” when ingested in improper amounts? Causing fatality would seem to be “highly toxic”.

          Farrell DJ, Bower L. Fatal water intoxication. Journal of Clinical Pathology. 2003;56(10):803-804.

          If you have valid, peer-reviewed scientific evidence of any adverse effects from “accumulated amount” resultant of consuming optimally fluoridated water over any period of time, whatsoever, feel free to present it any time. As none exists, I won’t hold my breath in anticipation.

          Steven D. Slott, DDS
          Communications Officer
          American Fluoridation Society

          • As always, you can’t even get the basics right because you are a complete imbecile.

  • There is no credible evidence that taking fluoride in water has ever prevented a single dental cavity. The forced-fluoridation fanatics often try to claim that the low rates of dental caries in western European countries which do not have artificially fluoridated public water supplies are due to naturally occurring fluoride in water, or some other kind of artificial fluoridation such as salt fluoridation. They are lying. They also rely on studies which do not measure individual fluoride exposure, are not randomised, are not blinded, are not clinical trials, do not properly account for confounding factors, are highly prone to systematic error, and are typically funded by corporations such as Colgate-Palmolive.
    https://forcedfluoridationfreedomfighters.com/fluoride-in-drinking-water-in-western-europe/

    • Steve Slott

      “No credible evidence”?? Sigh…..

      1) 2015

      Conclusion

      The children living in the well-established fluoridated area had less dental caries and a higher proportion free from disease when compared with the other two areas which were not fluoridated. Fluoridation demonstrated a clear benefit in terms of better oral health for young children.

      –The Dental Health of primary school children living in fluoridated, pre-fluoridated and non-fluoridated communities in New South Wales, Australia
      Anthony S Blinkhorn, Roy Byun, George Johnson, Pathik Metha, Meredith Kay, and Peter Lewis
      BMC Oral Health 2015, 15:9

      2) 2012

      CONCLUSIONS:
      Fewer studies have been published recently. More of these have investigated effect at the multi-community, state or even national level. The dmf/DMF index remains the most widely used measure of effect. % CR were lower in recent studies, and the ‘halo’ effect was discussed frequently. Nevertheless, reductions were still substantial. Statistical control for confounding factors is now routine, although the effect on per cent reductions tended to be small. Further thought is needed about the purpose of evaluation and whether measures of effect and study design are appropriate for that purpose.

      —–Community Dent Oral Epidemiol. 2012 Oct;40 Suppl 2:55-64.
      Effectiveness of water fluoridation in caries prevention.
      Rugg-Gunn AJ, Do L.
      Newcastle University, UK.

      3) 2012

      CONCLUSIONS:
      Data showed a significant decrease in dental caries across the entire country, with an average reduction of 25% occurring every 5 years. General trends indicated that a reduction in DMFT index values occurred over time, that a further reduction in DMFT index values occurred when a municipality fluoridated its water supply, and mean DMFT index values were lower in larger than in smaller municipalities.

      —-Int Dent J. 2012 Dec;62(6):308-14. doi: 10.1111/j.1875-595x.2012.00124.x.
      Decline in dental caries among 12-year-old children in Brazil, 1980-2005.
      Lauris JR, da Silva Bastos R, de Magalhaes Bastos JR.
      Department of Paediatric Dentistry, University of São Paulo, Bauru, São Paulo, Brazil.

      4) 2012

      Abstract
      The effectiveness of fluoridation has been documented by observational and interventional studies for over 50 years. Data are available from 113 studies in 23 countries. The modal reduction in DMFT values for primary teeth was 40-49% and 50-59% for permanent teeth. The pattern of caries now occurring in fluoride and low-fluoride areas in 15- to 16-year-old children illustrates the impact of water fluoridation on first and second molars.

      —-Caries Res. 1993;27 Suppl 1:2-8.
      Efficacy of preventive agents for dental caries. Systemic fluorides: water fluoridation.
      Murray JJ.
      Department of Child Dental Health, Dental School, University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK.

      5) 2004

      Conclusions:
      The results of this study support existing work suggesting water fluoridation together with the use of fluoridated dentifrice provides improved caries prevention over the use of fluoridated dentifrice alone. The social gradient between caries and deprivation appears to be lower in the fluoridated population compared to the non-fluoridated population, particularly when considering caries into dentine, demonstrating a reduction in inequalities of oral health for the most deprived individuals in the population.

      —-The association between social deprivation and the prevalence and severity of dental caries and fluorosis in populations with and without water fluoridation
      Michael G McGrady, Roger P Ellwood, and Iain A Pretty

      6) 2000

      RESULTS:
      The prevalence of dental caries was inversely related and the prevalence of fluorosis was directly related to the concentration of fluoride in the drinking water. The mean DMFS in the communities with 0.8 to 1.4 ppm fluoride was 53.9 percent to 62.4 percent lower than that in communities with negligible amounts of fluoride. Multivariate analysis showed that water fluoride level was the strongest factor influencing DMFS scores. The prevalence of fluorosis ranged from 1.7 percent to 15.4 percent, and the increase in fluorosis with increasing fluoride exposure was limited entirely to the milder forms.

      —–J Public Health Dent. 2000 Summer;60(3):147-53.
      The prevalence of dental caries and fluorosis in Japanese communities with up to 1.4 ppm of naturally occurring fluoride.
      Tsutsui A, Yagi M, Horowitz AM.
      Department of Preventive Dentistry, Fukuoka Dental College, Fukuoka, Japan.

      7) 2000

      CONCLUSIONS:
      Caries levels are lower among children with fluoridated domestic water supplies. Decay levels are much lower in 2002 than they were in 1984 and in the 1960s. The oral health of the less well off is worse than that of the rest of the population. The prevalence of dental fluorosis is higher amongst children and adolescents with fluoridated water supplies. Comparisons with 1984 data show an increase in the prevalence of fluorosis since that time.

      —-Community Dent Health. 2004 Mar;21(1):37-44.
      Dental caries and enamel fluorosis among the fluoridated and non-fluoridated populations in the Republic of Ireland in 2002.
      Whelton H, Crowley E, O’Mullane D, Donaldson M, Kelleher V, Cronin M.
      Oral Health Services Research Centre, University Dental School and Hospital, Wilton, Cork, Ireland.

      8) 1995

      CONCLUSIONS:
      The ingestion of water containing 1 ppm or less fluoride during the time of tooth development may result in dental fluorosis, albeit in its milder forms. However, in these times of numerous products containing fluoride being available, children ingesting water containing 1 ppm fluoride continue to derive caries protection compared to children ingesting water with negligible amounts of fluoride. Thus, the potential for developing a relatively minor unesthetic condition must be weighed against the potential for reducing dental disease.

      —–J Public Health Dent. 1995 Spring;55(2):79-84.
      Dental fluorosis and caries prevalence in children residing in communities with different levels of fluoride in the water.
      Jackson RD, Kelly SA, Katz BP, Hull JR, Stookey GK
      Oral Health Research Institute, Indianapolis, IN 46202-2876, USA.

      9) 1993

      CONCLUSIONS:
      The survey provides further evidence of the effectiveness in reducing dental caries experience up to 16 years of age. The extra intricacies involved in using the Percentage Lifetime Exposure method did not provide much more information when compared to the simpler Estimated Fluoridation Status method.

      —–Community Dent Health. 2012 Dec;29(4):293-6.
      Caries status in 16 year-olds with varying exposure to water fluoridation in Ireland.
      Mullen J, McGaffin J, Farvardin N, Brightman S, Haire C, Freeman R.
      Health Service Executive, Sligo, Republic of Ireland.

      10). 2012

      CONCLUSIONS:
      Children with severe dental caries had statistically significantly lower numbers of lesions if they lived in a fluoridated area. The lower treatment need in such high-risk children has important implications for publicly-funded dental care.

      ——Community Dent Health. 2013 Mar;30(1):15-8.
      Fluoridation and dental caries severity in young children treated under general anaesthesia: an analysis of treatment records in a 10-year case series.
      Kamel MS, Thomson WM, Drummond BK.
      Department of Oral Sciences, Sir John Walsh Research Institute, School of Dentistry, The University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand.

      Steven D. Slott, DDS
      Communications Officer
      American Fluoridation Society

      • Thanks for doing the best you can to prove my point. Those are very low quality studies with the flaws I mentioned.

        • Steven Slott

          Ah, so that caped crusader, The “forced fluoridation freedom fighter” now deems himself qualified to properly assess peer-reviewed scientific literature.

          Laughable is a word that first come to mind…..

          Steven D. Slott, DDS
          Communications Officer
          American Fluoridation Society

  • Colin

    Forced Fluoridation is a Fraud.
    Why don’t they use toothpaste grade poisonous industrial waste (99%pure), instead of the present industrial grade poison (98% pure)?
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c5fd79eb19161c060c861beef76cfa831a9541b94df0716693b281c2a6e7421e.jpg

    • David Fierstien

      Wow, a meme. It must be true.

  • Seabreezes1

    Twenty-one recent Valid Peer Reviewed Scientific Studies, Reports, and Meta-Analysis published in Credible Journals that find fluoridation ineffective and dangerous:

    1) 2017 in Biological Trace Element Research. Fluoride-Induced Oxidative and Inflammatory Stress in Osteosarcoma Cells… (inflammatory stress due to chronic exposure to F bad for bones) http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12011-016-0756-6

    2) 2015 in Toxicology in Vitro. Fluoride as a factor initiating and potentiating inflammation in THP1 differentiated monocytes/macrophages (Inflames cells in immune system) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0887233315001605

    3) 2015 in Nature. Structural and functional features of central nervous system lymphatic vessels. (Brain has an immune system subject to inflammation) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26030524

    4) 2015 in Neurotoxicology and Teratology. Expanding the test set: Chemicals with potential to disrupt mammalian brain development. (EPA developmental neurotoxicants with “gold standard” evidence) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0892036215300362

    5) 2016 in Scand J Gastroenterology. Fluoride: a risk factor for inflammatory bowel disease? (Chronic exposure bad for bowel): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27199224

    6) 2017 in Community Dent Oral Epidemiol. Fluoride in the diet of 2-years-old children. (American children consume unsafe amounts of F) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cdoe.12283/full

    7) 2017 in Human and Experimental Toxicology. Maternal fluoride exposure during gestation and lactation decreased learning and memory ability, and glutamate receptor mRNA expressions of mouse pups. (Fluoride exposure before birth and via nursing harms ability to learn) http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0960327117693067

    8) 2017 in Chemico-Biological Interactions. Genotoxic effect …. caused by long term fluoride exposure. (Drinking fluoridated water damages health at cellular level.) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28089781

    9) 2016 in Chemosphere: Chronic fluoride exposure-induced testicular toxicity is associated with inflammatory response in mice (fluoride is an inflammatory drug and that inflammatory property can affect sperm): http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653516303514

    10) 2015 Cochrane Review featured in Newsweek. (Concurred with 2000 York review of dental fluoridation literature that the studies purporting benefit were biased with conclusions not supported by their limited evidence and provided no evidence of safety) http://www.newsweek.com/fluoridation-may-not-prevent-cavities-huge-study-shows-348251

    11) 2016 in Journal of Clinical and Experimental Dentistry. Prevention of dental caries: A review of effective treatments (all reviews agree, fluoridation does not prevent cavities) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5149099/

    12) 2015 in International Journal of Environmental & Occupational Health. A critique of recent economic evaluations of community water fluoridation (Fluoridation is not cost effective dental prophylactic, i.e. errors and omissions) http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1179/2049396714Y.0000000093

    13) 2015 in Journal of Epidemiology & Community Health. Are fluoride levels in drinking water associated with hypothyroidism prevalence in England….. (Fluoridated communities have significantly higher rates of low thyroid) http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/2015/02/09/jech-2014-204971

    14) 2015 in Toxicological Sciences. Modifying Effect of COMT Gene Polymorphism and a Predictive Role for Proteomics Analysis…. (Gene predicts individuals sensitive to fluoride poisoning at lower concentrations in water which manifest as dental fluorosis and learning deficits) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25556215

    15) 2015 in Environmental Health. Exposure to fluoridated water and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder prevalence among children and adolescents in US….. (even adjusted for SES in 84 regions of US, fluoridated communities have much higher incidences diagnosed of hyperactivity) http://www.ehjournal.net/content/14/1/17/abstract

    16) 2014 in Toxicology. Effect of water fluoridation on the development of medial vascular calcification in uremic rats. (“Optimal levels” worsen kidney function): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24561004

    17) 2015 in Neurotoxicology and Teratology. Association of lifetime exposure to fluoride and cognitive functions in Chinese children: A pilot study. (Children with visible dental fluorosis perform less well on memory tasks, correlating with the degree of severity of their fluorosis. One of a series of human and animal studies with the same consistent findings.): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25446012 and http://braindrain.dk/2014/12/mottled-fluoride-debate/

    18) 2014 in Physiology and Behavior. Fluoride exposure during brain development affects both cognition and emotion in mice. (Measurable behavioral changes, one of many with same consistent findings): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24184405

    19) 2014 in International Journal of Occupational and Environmental Health. A new perspective on metals and other contaminants in fluoridation chemicals. (All samples of fluoride are contaminated with aluminum, plus other contaminants like arsenic, lead and barium); http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24999851

    20) 2014 in Scientific World Journal. Water Fluoridation: A Critical Review of the Physiological Effects of Ingested Fluoride as a Public Health Intervention. (A report published in an open access journal, very well written by reputable scientists who cite solid peer-reviewed science. Concludes, health risks and cost don’t justify minimal and questionable dental benefit.) http://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/293019/

    21) 2016 in Journal of Risk Research. Communicating risk for issues that involve ‘uncertainty bias’ (A social science piece on the misrepresentation of scientific and historical fact by fluoridationists and politicians in order to establish fluoridation mandates) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305985332

    • Seabreezes1

      My latest favorite science by an expert Chilean team that recommends an immediate cessation of water and milk fluoridation schemes:

      “Infants, children and adolescents are at high risk of diseases due to over intake of fluorides, through drinking water and/or fluoridated milk, as the deterioration of health is proportional to the dose and time of exposure.” – Romero et al. in “The impact of tap water fluoridation on human health.” Revista médica de Chile (Feb. 2017)

      • Steve Slott

        Seabreezes

        The unsubstantiated opinion of some “expert Chilean team” is your argument against fluoridation? Seriously?

        Sigh…….

        “Numerous reputable studies over the years have consistently demonstrated that community water fluoridation is safe, effective, and practical. Fluoridation has made an enormous impact on improving the oral health of the American people. ”
        “Our country is fortunate to have over 204 million Americans living in fluoridated communities and having access to the health and economic benefits of this vital public health measure.”

        Sincerely,

        Jeffrey S. Flier, MD
        Dean of the Faculty of Medicine
        Caroline Shields Walker Professor of Medicine
        Harvard Medical School

        R. Bruce Donoff, DMD, MD
        Dean and Walter C. Guralnick Distinguished Professor of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery
        Harvard School of Dental Medicine

        Julio Frenk, MD, MPH, PhD
        Dean of the Faculty, Harvard School of Public Health
        T & G Angelopoulos Professor of Public Health and International Development,
        Harvard School of Public Health and Harvard Kennedy School
        ———————————————–
        “I do not believe there is any valid, scientific reason for fearing adverse health conditions from the consumption of water fluoridated at the optimal level”

        —John Doull, MD, PhD, Chair of the National Academy of Sciences, National Research Council 2006 Committee Report on Fluoride in Drinking Water
        ———————————————–
        “With the development of fluoridated drinking water and dental sealants, Americans are less likely to experience tooth loss and gingivitis by middle age … Community water fluoridation continues to be a vital, cost-effective method of preventing dental [cavities].”

        Dr. Regina Benjamin, Surgeon General (2009-current)
        * * * * * * * * * * * * *
        “Water fluoridation has helped improve the quality of life in the United States by reducing pain and suffering related to tooth decay, time lost from school and work, and money spent to restore, remove or replace decayed teeth.”

        Dr. Richard Carmona, Surgeon General (2002-2006)
        * * * * * * * * * * * * *
        “More than 50 years of scientific research has found that people living in communities with fluoridated water have healthier teeth and fewer cavities than those living where the water is not fluoridated. … A significant advantage of water fluoridation is that anyone, regardless of socioeconomic level, can enjoy these health benefits during their daily lives — at home, work, or at school or play — simply by drinking fluoridated water or beverages prepared with fluoridated water.”

        Dr. David Satcher, Surgeon General (1998-2002)
        * * * * * * * * * * * * *
        “Data consistently have indicated that water fluoridation is the most cost-effective, practical, and safe means for reducing the occurrence of tooth decay in a community.”

        Dr. Audrey Manley, Surgeon General (1995-1997)
        * * * * * * * * * * * * *
        Fluoridation is “the single most important commitment a community can make to the oral health of its children and to future generations.”
        Dr. C. Everett Koop, Surgeon General (1982-1989)
        ————————————
        The American Dental Association
        “Studies conducted throughout the past 65 years have consistently shown that fluoridation of community water supplies is safe and effective in preventing dental decay in both children and adults.”
        ————————————
        The American Academy of Pediatrics
        “Fluoride plays a very important role in the prevention of dental [decay]. Although the primary mechanism of action of fluoride in preventing dental [decay] is topical, systemic mechanisms are also important.”
        ————————————
        The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
        “For many years, panels of experts from different health and scientific fields have provided strong evidence that water fluoridation is safe and effective.”
        ————————————
        The American Academy of Family Physicians
        “Fluoridation of public water supplies is a safe, economical and effective measure to prevent dental [decay].”
        ——————————————–
        The Institute of Medicine
        “Evidence continues to reaffirm that community water fluoridation is effective, safe, inexpensive, and is associated with significant cost savings.”
        —————————————
        The American Public Health Association
        “Much of the credit for the nation’s better oral health can be attributed to the decision in the 1940s to begin adding fluoride to public drinking water systems.”

        Steven D. Slott, DDS
        Communications Officer
        American Fluoridation Society

    • Steve Slott

      Seabreezes

      Because a study contains the word “fluoride” in it somewhere does not make it valid, or relevant to optimally fluoridated water. Neither does your personal “interpretation” of what you deem are the findings of such studies, render them to be of any relevance. Until you can provide direct quotes from these studies which, in their complete and proper context, provide support for your position, you have nothing here but a laundry list of study titles you’ve copy/pasted from “fluoridealert”, your having not even read, much less understood, any of them.

      The recent EPA rejection of the latest meritless petition filed by your “FAN” and “mom’s against fluoridation” give clear example of your misuse of scientific studies presented as “support” for your claims. In its 40 page rejection, the EPA reviewers put forth facts and evidence which systematically dismantled all arguments of petitioners while explaining in detail the irrelevance, invalidity, and misrepresentation by petitioners, of scientific studies put forth by your group as “support” for your claims.

      This rejection may be viewed in entirety:

      https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/02/27/2017-03829/fluoride-chemicals-in-drinking-water-tsca-section-21-petition-reasons-for-agency-response

      Steven D. Slott, DDS
      Communications Officer
      American Fluoridation Society

      • Seabreezes1

        That the EPA denied the TSCA petition was not a surprise as they denied their own scientists’ recommendation that the MCLG for F be set to zero, like it is with arsenic and lead, but petition and denial set the stage for Act 2 – the lawsuit.

        See legal review of odd nature of the EPA denial: http://www.natlawreview.com/article/epa-denies-tsca-section-21-petition-fluoride-chemicals-drinking-water-provides

        BTW: I read all the studies I cite and gather the quotes I use from my reading. I also evaluate source and prefer PubMed and highly credentialed researchers to policy wonks and dental trolls.

        About one of the Chilean authors, toxicologist and endocrinologist Dr. Andrei N. Tchernitchin, an internationally renowned researcher and department head at top medical college in South America, and who btw received his education at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and University of Pennsylvania. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrei_Tchernitchin

        About the f-troop of trolls:
        AFS: http://www.crescentcitytimes.com/beware-of-newly-formed-the-american-fluoridation-society/
        SS specific on last page: http://fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/SalemState2016.09.07.pdf

        • Steven Slott

          Seabreezes

          “Their own scientists” meaning long time antifluoridationist/ former EPA scientist/current paid FAN lobbyist, William Hirzy. Hirzy had his own petition rebuked by the EPA a couple of years ago due to an elementary math error he made in his calculations which, when corrected by EPA reviewers, showed his data to demonstrate the opposite of what Hirzy claimed. When Hirzy was informed of this error and rejection, he stated he was “embarrassed”, as you should be, as well, for implying that Hirzy and his small cadre of antifluoridationist followers from that little union of his had any credibility, whatsoever. If the EPA ever did listen to the slip-shod nonsense of those such as Hirzy, we’d all be in big trouble.

          As a matter of policy, the EPA sets the MCLG at zero for substances known to be carcinogenic, regardless the level at which carcinogenicity is known to occur. Arsenic, lead, and numerous other substances are known to be carcinogenic at high levels. Thus, their MCLGs are, as a matter of policy, set at zero. Fluoride is not carcinogenic, and has not been shown to have a potential for any adverse effects, whatsoever, at levels below 2.0 ppm. There is, therefore, no reason, or justification for setting its MCLG at zero.

          The “lawsuit” is nothing but an embarrassing piece of nonsense filled with flimsy anecdotes of antifluoridationists, the same arguments for which the EPA cited facts and evidence to systematically dismantle, and the same studies of which the EPA explained in detail their irrelevance, invalidity, and misrepresentation by petitioners. Assuming that Michael Connett is indeed a licensed attorney, it is a mystery why any such attorney would ever file such a mess in federal court.

          Your comments speak for themselves in regard to the fact that you never bother to read, much less understand, the laundry lists of studies, titles of which you copy/paste from “fluoridealert”. If you did read them, you would not attempt to put them forth as “evidence” for your position.

          Your frustrated attempt to discredit the AFS with links to nonsense posted on little antifluoridationist websites speaks to your own obvious lack of integrity.

          Steven D. Slott, DDS
          Communications Officer
          American Fluoridation Society

    • David Fierstien

      Seabreezes . . people say, put your best foot forward. So I took a look at your first “valid peer reviewed scientific study.” You know . . because that should be the best you have to offer. This is from that study:

      “HOS cells were challenged with sublethal concentration (8 mg/L) of sodium fluoride for 30 days.”

      This is a study that uses 11.4 times the concentration of fluoride as optimally fluoridated water.

      What exactly does this have to do with community water fluoridation, and what drives your deceptive agenda so much that you have to post irrelevant stuff?

  • Colin

    Here is a 2014 debate between Dr Paul Connett, PhD in Chemistry, with David Fierstien. Water and Waste Operations Manager.

    • David Fierstien

      Thank you for bringing that up, Colon. That was an embarrassing defeat for THE anti fluoride guy, Paul Connett.

      Two weeks after that meeting between the World’s foremost authority on why community water fluoridation is bad, Paul Connett, and me . . the good people of Boyne City voted to reinstate fluoridation with a margin larger than 2 to 1.

      You must like it when the anti-fluoride fringe are losers. A margin larger than 2 to 1. Wow.

      By the way, Colon, while I have your attention, please cite one documented case in which any human being was ever harmed in any way by drinking optimally fluoridated water . . even for as much as a lifetime.

      • Colin

        Here you go,you rude little man, my name is Colin, BTW.
        Documented cases abound all around the world
        Dr. Moolenburg led the fight that freed the Netherlands of fluoridation in 1976.
        Interviewed March 2014 in the Netherlands..

        Case studies.
        http://fluoridealert.org/studies/hypersensitivity01/

        http://fluoridealert.org/studies/dental_fluorosis01/

        http://fluoridealert.org/search-results/?q=case%20studies

        Only about 5% of the World has Forced Water Fluoridation, FWF.
        You must like it when the Pro-fluoride fringe are losers.
        A margin around 20 to 1. Wow, that’s pretty bad, dude. 🙂

        • Steve Slott

          Colon

          1. Hans Moolenburg is precisely the type individual I would expect you to believe credible. Moolenburg is an anti vaxxer who is involved in such pseudo-science as “healing sound movement”, some kind of group which claims that people can heal their health problems by listening to digital recordings of ancient chants and “cosmic” sounds.

          2. “Fluoridealert” is the biased little website of the New York antifluoridationist faction, “FAN”. The filtered and edited nonsense posted on that site is evidence of nothing other than the gullibility of any who accord it credence.

          If you desire credence for your claims, you will need to cite legitimate sources of accurate information which has not been skewed through antifluoridationist sites.

          3. The United States is 74.5% fluoridated, and makes healthcare decisions in the best interests of its citizenry. That you and most other antifluoridationists seem to believe the best manner of making healthcare decisions is to play a childish game of “follow-the-leader” and/or be dependent on what little Johnny’s mom down the street does….is truly laughable. Even moreso is the fact that antifluoridationists seem to be the only ones oblivious to the fools they make of themselves with this ridiculous tactic.

          Steven D. Slott, DDS
          Communications Officer
          American Fluoridation Society

          • Colin

            And now another rude little man, Steven , who wants to shoot the messenger, instead of discussing the messages.
            Only 5% of the world has Politicians corrupted by the Fluoride Cartel, to add Toxic Govt Fluoride to water, food, beverages and therefore bloodstreams.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/69ba2eaa8a2ca9cfefd3507c4e07af914e1cd14b9d4dbe5c33e9de2bf670a380.jpg
            Why do Pro-Fluoridationists want extra fluoride, a topical “treatment”, in our bloodstreams?

          • Steve Slott

            Colon

            So, having had your Moolenburg, “fluoridealert”, “follow-the-leader” hogwash exposed for exactly what it is, you so predictably resort to stale conspiracy nonsense followed by yet one more example of your ignorance on this issue.

            Comical.

          • Colin

            So Steve, your spin and nonsense followed by yet one more example of your ignorance on this issue. issue.https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1673d9f1b0f99c779f23a3f9ad80ee785925608b9a0261fab7a0ee29e9e9b47e.jpg

          • David Fierstien

            Colon, you perfectly illustrate the scientific method of the anti-fluoride fringe: “It’s a meme!! That proves it!!”

          • Colin

            Fluoride uptake in coronary arteries is associated with an increased cardiovascular risk of sudden death. Fluoride causes enhanced deposition of doped Hydroxyapatite which leads to inflammation and sites for fatty deposits of atherosclerosis. Fluoride interferes with numerous enzyme systems resulting in elevation of key risk factors for cardiovascular disease. Fluoride causes oxidative stress and degeneration of heart muscle. Fluoride inhibits Thyroid function with consequential damage to heart function. Fluoride increases risk of sudden death from ruptured aorta. Diabetes, caused or exacerbated by Fluoride, further increases risk of cardiovascular death and disability.

            Fluoride causes Heart Disease, Stroke and Sudden Death (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293593658_Fluoride_causes_Heart_Disease_Stroke_and_Sudden_Death [accessed Aug 30, 2017]. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b2457399640335f39e1e4c539688354a1d57a664232de011cea87ed2937034fe.jpg

          • David Fierstien

            Sure, whatever you say.

            So, who exactly has had their cardio-vascular system harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water? Please cite one documented case of harm due to drinking perfectly fluoridated water.

            Thyroid functions? Please cite one documented case in which any human being ever had their thyroid damaged by drinking optimally fluoridated water . . even for as much as a lifetime.

            In fact, please cite one documented case in which any human being was ever harmed in ANY way by drinking optimally fluoridated water.

          • Colin

            http://fluoridealert.org/search-results/?q=case%20histories

            References Those marked with an asterisk were found but deliberately ignored by The Australian National Health and Medical Research Council in 2007. Adeagbo AS, Triggle CR. 1991. Mechanism of vascular smooth muscle contraction by sodium fluoride in the isolated aorta of rat and rabbit. J Pharmacol Exp Ther. Jul 258(1):66-73. Afolabi OK, Oyewo EB, Adekunle AS, Adedosu OT, Adedeji AL. 2013. Oxidative indices correlate with dyslipidemia and pro-inflammatory cytokine levels in fluoride-exposed rats. Archives of Industrial Hygiene and Toxicology 64(4):521-9 Agalakova NI and Gusev GP. 2012. Molecular Mechanisms of Cytotoxicity and Apoptosis Induced by Inorganic Fluoride. International Scholarly Research Notices. Cell Biology. Available from http://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2012/403835/ AIHW Australian Institute of Health and Welfare 2016. http://www.aihw.gov.au/deaths/leading-causes-of-death/ Alexopoulos N, Raggi P. Calcification in atherosclerosis. Nat Rev Cardiol 2009; 6:681–688 Allmann DW, Dunipace A, Jaouni S, Curro FA. 1986. Stimulation of cAMP accumulation in rat aorta and diaphragm by fluorine containing compounds. Res Commun Chem Pathol Pharmacol 52(3):275-84. Amini H, Taghavi Shahri S M T, Amini M, Mehrian M R, Mokhayeri Y and Yunesian M. 2011. Drinking water fluoride and blood pressure: an environmental study. Biol Trace Elem Res 144:157-63. Apostolakis S, Vogiatzi K, Amanatidou V and Spandidos DA. 2009. Interleukin 8 and cardiovascular disease. Cardiovascular Research. 84(3) 353-360. Arad Y, Spadaro LA, Goodman K, Newstein D, Guerci AD. 2000. Prediction of coronary events with electron beam computed tomography. J Am Coll Cardiol 36:1253–60. Arangino S, Cagnacci A, Angiolucci M, Vacca AMB, Longu G, Volpe A and Melis GB. 1999. Effects of melatonin an vascular reactivity, catecholamine levels, and blood pressure in healthy men. Am J Cardiol 83, 1417.

            Fluoride causes Heart Disease, Stroke and Sudden Death (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293593658_Fluoride_causes_Heart_Disease_Stroke_and_Sudden_Death [accessed Aug 31, 2017].

          • Steve Slott

            Thank you, Colon. You keep providing excellent examples of that which antifluoridationists believe to be the “science” which supports their position. Moolenburg, Waugh, “FAN”, Sauerheber, Waldbott………

            What’s next, a cite to “Mickey and Goofy: An Analysis of Fluoridation and Hangnail”?

            Comical.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • David Fierstien

            Too bad . . I missed the Sauerheber. He’s the guy who was trying to convince everybody that the EPA had no jurisdiction over water fluoridation based on a 1988 “Memorandum of Understanding.” (MoU).

            It was hilarious. This is his quote in an email to me:

            “” in 1988 EPA published in the Federal Register that it terminated the agreement it made in 1979 (1979 MOU) with FDA to regulate water additives. This was effective in terminating the1979 MOU (53 FR 25586-89 to be forwarded later).”

            What he actually had (FR 25586-89) was a directive from the EPA to outsource some of its responsibilities to NSF and the private sector.

            That guy is a joke.

          • Colin
          • David Fierstien

            Typical. Another meme. If nothing else, you fanatics are great at coming up with memes and using them as some kind of evidence of something.

            Well . . if that’s all you got.

          • Colin

            Forced Water Fluoridation a Fraud from the Start.
            “H. Trendley Dean, DDS, was the chief dental officer at the US Public Health Service (USPHS) is commonly referred to by the ADA as the “Father of water fluoridation.” Dr. Dean was responsible for designing and creating those “classical” fluoridated water/tooth decay studies done by the UPSHS in the 1940’s and early 1950’s. Dr. Dean, when cross-examined before the Public Utilities Commission of the State of California in Oroville, October 20-21, 1955 admitted, under oath, that those “studies” were not valid studies.

            None of those studies, nor any since then, followed the same children from year to year, the water sources were not consistent, and there was absolutely no consideration for nutrition, oral hygiene care or dental care. A valid scientific controlled study cannot have these numerous variables, especially variables that are not taken into consideration.

            The ADA just forgot to teach dentists that Dr. Dean invalidated his own “classical” studies. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bf61148564ec347d9b37d945ad703280195bc84f2af71aa653660013b2c76598.jpg

          • David Fierstien

            The sad thing about you, Colon, is that you think news from 1955 is cutting-edge. I almost feel sorry for you.

          • Steve Slott

            Colon

            Thank you. It’s been awhile since I’d seen that false nonsense about Trendley Dean. Given that only the most dishonest antifluoridationists still attempt to mislead people with that, it’s not surprising that you would trot it out. So, let’s see what Dean, himself, had to say about this:

            From an article in the October, 1960 edition of the Journal of the American Dental Association:

            Trendley Dean Repudiates Antifluoridationists

            Advertisements claiming that H. Trendley Dean was forced to admit his claims for fluoridation were fallacious have been appearing in some newspapers through­ out the country. They are published over the name of L. S. Stevens, chairman of the Ohio Pure Water Association.

            Dr. Dean, former director of the Na­tional Institute of Dental Research and former secretary of the Association’s Council on Dental Research, has termed it “a completely unjustified attack upon my professional reputation and my stand­ing in the field of scientific research.”

            In a letter to Mrs. Stevens of Akron, Ohio, copies of which were sent to the editors of the newspapers which have published these advertisements, Dr. Dean continues:

            I have been shown an advertisement spon­sored by the chairman, Ohio Pure Water Association, which appeared in the Akron Beacon Journal on Sunday, August 28, 1960. This advertisement claims that the testimony I presented before a master in chancery in the case of Alice Shuringa, et al. v. City of Chi­cago, repudiates the strong support I have always given to fluoridation of community water supplies. The advertisement also claims that other testimony of mine in 1955 shows that I admitted that I deliberately misrepre­sented the safety and effectiveness of fluorida­tion.

            There is no legitimate basis for these claims. I still strongly urge all communities to fluori­date their water supplies. The procedure is safe and of significant benefit in reducing dental decay. There is nothing in the testi­mony I gave in California in 1955 or in Chi­cago in 1960 which indicates otherwise.

            —-J. Am. Dent. Assoc. 61 (Oct. 1960) 513-4)

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • Colin

            So Dean was both a Fraudster and a Liar, like all Pro-Fluoridationists. 🙂 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a331c963a4403f0469797320f1bd03ba0f8bab8c6a294ae8bb72ed3908d4bb0e.jpg

          • Steven Slott

            Colon

            No, quite obviously, the “Fraudster and Liars” are:

            1. those who put out unsubstantiated, uncited “interpretations” of what they claim was “admitted” by someone, somwhere or another, as if their skewed misrepresentations somehow constitute fact.

            2. those who pass along these fraudulent misrepresentations without bothering to verify the validity of any of them, while seeming to believe adding little cartoons to their comments somehow counters the exposure of these false claims, and fraudulent misrepresentations.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • Colin

            On Fraudsters and liars.
            http://fluoridedentalexperts.com/ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca550a887b10578a6947d9a076fc48365313295ae75f165c813432159113260d.jpg
            This website will document how US “Dental Experts” such as Steve Slott, Johnny Johnson, Kurt Ferre, “Billy Budd” (aka Chuck Haynie), and others are misleading the public on matters of fluoride toxicity, water fluoridation, fluoride intake, as well as fluoride risks and benefits.

            The information is taken from blogs, comment sections, and discussion boards.

            UPDATE: Slott, Johnson, Ferre and Haynie have now formed the American Fluoridation Society. The purpose of the AFS is to provide “accurate” scientific information to concerned citizens and professionals. If the material on our website is any indication, the information dispensed will be anything but the truth.

          • Steve Slott

            Colon

            Ahh, yes, as usual, as your frustration increases so do your little memes.

            Comical.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • David Fierstien

            Colon . . you must be joking.

            Regarding the fluoridealert link you sent, the first two links on that page were more Waldbott. As you know, Waldbott did not measure fluoride levels in blood samples. His stories from more than 50 years ago are anecdotal . . and nothing more.
            FAIL

            The third link on the fluoridealert page were allergic reactions to fluoride supplements, which may or may not be true, but it doesn’t matter. Fluoride supplements, which contain a much higher concentration of fluoride, are not optimally fluoridated water . . and that’s what we are talking about here.
            FAIL

            Past those first 3 links, there are no documented cases of anyone being harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water.
            FAIL

            If there is, please cite it. Don’t waste my time by giving me irrelevant links.

            The next link you gave me, a Russian study, did not cite one documented case of any harm to anyone from drinking optimally fluoridated water.
            FAIL

            The next link you gave me was about cardio-vascular disease. Irrelevant.
            FAIL

            And finally . . the last link you gave me did not cite one documented case of any harm to any person because they drank optimally fluoridated water . . even for as much as a lifetime.
            FAIL

            Again, . . Please cite ONE documented case of any human being who was ever harmed in any way because they drank optimally fluoridated water . . even for as much as a lifetime.

            Get it?

            (Hint: I’m not looking for anecdotal stories from more than 50 years ago where no actual blood-fluoride levels were measured, where not real scientific investigation was undertaken . . . And I’m not looking for something from an old crazy Dutch guy whose idea of scientific research is taking a baby bottle away from a crying infant to see what happens.)

          • SKaye

            Colon, please stop, You’re embarrassing yourself. Here’s the most recent study on the effects of fluoridation and thyroid function from the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. It’s results clearly demonstrate NO EVIDENCE of a relationship between fluoride exposure and diagnosis of a thyroid condition. Go back under your rock now- http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/2017/08/24/jech-2017-209129.info

          • Steve Slott

            Colon

            1. “Water intoxication can occur in a variety of different clinical settings but is generally not well recognised in the medical literature. The condition may go unrecognised in the early stages when the patient may have symptoms of confusion, disorientation, nausea, and vomiting, but also changes in mental state and psychotic symptoms. Early detection is crucial to prevent severe hyponatraemia, which can lead to seizures, coma, and death.

            –Farrell DJ, Bower L. Fatal water intoxication. Journal of Clinical Pathology. 2003;56(10):803-804.

            Better, be careful of that deadly H2O, Colon.

            2. “Can any so-called scientist, who teaches that the earth is a whirling globe, take a heap of liquid water, whirl it round, and so make rotundity? He cannot. Therefore it is utterly impossible to prove that an ocean is a whirling rotund section of a globular earth, rushing through ‘space’ at the lying-given-rate of false philosophers.”

            -William Thomas Wiseman, “The Earth An Irregular Plane”
            http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/

            Be careful not to veer too closely to the edge of the earth, Colon, or you might fall off.

            3. You do realize that the “article” to which you provide a link cites Declan Waugh, “FAN”, and Richard Sauerheber, three of the most notorious purveyors of misinformation on fluoridation on the planet….correct? Waugh’s ridiculous claims have been refuted by his own government’s Expert Body on Fluorides and Health:

            http://www.fluoridesandhealth.ie/download/documents Appraisal_of_Waugh_report_May_2012.pdf

            4. You do realize that the article to which you provide a link fear-mongers about exposure to hydrofluorosilic acid when it is a well known elementary fact of chemistry that HFA comes into no contact with consumers of fluoridated water…….correct?

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • Steve Slott

            Colon

            Still nothing but nonsense from your little antifluoridationist website sources, I see. You do realize your browser will access legitimate sites of intelligent information…..correct?

            Always a pleasure to expose your illiterate drivel for exactly what it is.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

          • Colin

            https://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2012/403835/
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dd86fac90b725db95fa1552b6a0ff4b09a1be20676a231a6360f2d2605517b88.jpg “Along with other toxic effects, fluoride was shown to induce oxidative stress leading to excessive generation of ROS, lipid peroxidation, decrease in the GSH/GSSH ratio, and alterations in activities of antioxidant enzymes, as well as to inhibit glycolysis thus causing the depletion of cellular ATP and disturbances in cellular metabolism. Fluoride triggers the disruption of mitochondria outer membrane and release of cytochrome c into cytosol, what activates caspases-9 and -3 (intrinsic) apoptotic pathway. Extrinsic (death receptor) Fas/FasL-caspase-8 and -3 pathway was also described to be implicated in fluoride-induced apoptosis.”
            Molecular Mechanisms of Cytotoxicity and Apoptosis Induced by Inorganic Fluoride

          • Steve Slott

            Colon

            Caffeine is more toxic than arsenic. Probably need to rethink the morning cup of coffee……especially if it’s made with that highly toxic substance, H2O.

            Steven D. Slott, DDS
            Communications Officer
            American Fluoridation Society

        • David Fierstien

          My mistake about your name, dude. I must have called you colon because you are full of the same substance that one would find in a colon.

          You gave me links to an organization that openly takes money from people who sell expensive water filters, fluoride free toothpaste, and bottled water . . so the more paranoia that fluoridealert generates, the more money its backers make. (That would be like someone making an argument that Aryan races have higher IQs and providing links to nazi(dot)com.)

          Your first link took me to anecdotes written by Walbott over 50 years ago. Walbott didn’t prove anything other than hypochondria. He didn’t measure blood fluoride levels. He didn’t measure fluoride in bone or other calcified material. He told stories about people who lived in a city, got hives, moved out of a city, and cured. He attributed it all to fluoridated water . . with no proof of anything. Maybe it was the traffic in cities that caused these people’s problems. Do you see why it might have been helpful if he had actually conducted Real scientific research.

          And how odd. No other researcher had anecdotes showing optimally fluoridated water was harmful. That is why the scientific method necessitates that results must be duplicated.

          Link #1: Fail

          Your next link had absolutely no documented cases of any human being harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water.

          Link #2: Fail

          Your third link had absolutely no documented cases of any human being harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water.

          Link #3: Fail

          Moolenberg’s video is laughable. Nowhere in that video does he offer one documented case of any human being harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water.

          Video link: Fail

          But I thank you for proving my point. Nowhere in your response did you provide even one documented case of any human being harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water.

          That is because no human being has ever been harmed by drinking optimally fluoridated water . . even for as much as a lifetime.

          I thank you for your efforts, Colon.

          • Colin

            Well, another insult and rant, charming David.
            The Govt of the Netherlands saw the evidence from Dr Hans Moolenburg and banned Forced Fluoridation, in 1976. And also amended their Constitution to stop any human treatments to be added to the water supply . Win. 🙂
            The video, 2014, was a discussion of history.
            David wants to deny history, and put his own spin on it.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aadef23d148a8552ba99881f0424320fa51439ad280b88372a0bcb2078c0a61a.jpg

          • David Fierstien

            Colon,

            the reason we know that lead in drinking water harmed people in Flint, Michigan, is because lead levels in blood were actually measured. The University of Virginia’s Marc Edwards spent countless hours, using his own grad students, sifting through Flint records to establish exactly what happened.

            Moolenburg (the anti-vaxxer – cosmic sounds guy) used scientific methods like: “We took the baby bottle away and gave it non fluoridated water. Then it stopped crying.”

            Moolenburg was not measuring anything. He didn’t measure blood levels, his methods were sloppy, and he’s a crackpot.

            Are you even for real? You found some fossil on the other side of the world who is as nuts, as you are, who never proved a thing. Great job, Colon.

            As for the Nuremburg Code, go ahead, take somebody to the World Court. I’d love to see it. While you’re at it, sue the Planet Earth, which has also decided to “medicate” your drinking water with fluoride. You’ve been drinking it for your entire life.

  • Jason Segarra
  • Colin

    More Harm from Fluoride, from water and all other sources.
    Fluoride uptake in coronary arteries is associated with an increased cardiovascular risk of sudden death. Fluoride causes enhanced deposition of doped Hydroxyapatite which leads to inflammation and sites for fatty deposits of atherosclerosis. Fluoride interferes with numerous enzyme systems resulting in elevation of key risk factors for cardiovascular disease. Fluoride causes oxidative stress and degeneration of heart muscle. Fluoride inhibits Thyroid function with consequential damage to heart function. Fluoride increases risk of sudden death from ruptured aorta. Diabetes, caused or exacerbated by Fluoride, further increases risk of cardiovascular death and disability.

    Fluoride causes Heart Disease, Stroke and Sudden Death (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293593658_Fluoride_causes_Heart_Disease_Stroke_and_Sudden_Death [accessed Aug 30, 2017].
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  • Seabreezes1

    Despite the rhetoric of brainwashed dental hygienists, fluoridation trolls and the ignorant, many well credentialed scientists, doctors and dentists have been quite clear that fluoridation is dangerous based on scientific facts in evidence.

    “There is no doubt in my mind that fluoridation has next to no benefit in terms of reduced dental decay and the risks for harm to several organ systems, including the brain, are so significant as to make fluoridation a practice that can now be considered ineffective and unsafe.” – Dr. Hardy Limeback BSc, PhD, DDS, former President of Canadian Association of Dental Research, former head of Preventative Dentistry at the Univ of Toronto, 2006 National Research Council panelist to Australian High Commission re NHMRC Review (2017)

    “It is my best judgement, reached with a high degree of scientific certainty, that fluoridation is invalid in theory and ineffective in practice as a preventive of dental caries. It is dangerous to the health of consumers.” – Dr John Colquhoun BDS, PhD, former chief Dental Officer of Auckland, New Zealand (1993)

    “There’s no doubt that the intake of fluoridated water is going to interrupt basic functions of nerve cells in the brain, and this is certainly not going to be [for] the benefit of anybody……The addition of fluorides to drinking water was, and is, a mistake.” – Dr. Robert Isaacson, 2006 National Research Council panelist on Fluoride in Drinking Water (2007)

    “Prevention of chemical brain drain should be considered at least as important as protection against caries.” – Dr. Philippe Grandjean, Chair of Environmental Medicine at the University of Southern Denmark and Adjunct Professor of Environmental Health at Harvard School of Public Health (2014)

    “The evidence against the safety of this public health policy will keep mounting and never disappear again. My ignorance of fluoride in the beginning was a matter of chance. If you ignore this evidence today, it will be a matter of choice.” – Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, former Head Toxicologist at Forsyth Dental Center (1999)

    “It’s clear to anyone who has looked at this in any depth that tooth decay is linked to socioeconomic status, ethnicity, and access to health care, not to water fluoridation… Fluoride science is BS (bad science)!” – Dr. Stan Litras, BDS, BSc, Past President NZDA (2016)

    “When I tried to raise the issue with the Australian Dental Association, whom I thought were interested in the science and in integrity, there was no interest. In fact there was a lot of pressure against me to say anything at all. There was a great concern about upsetting our principle sponsors, the toothpaste manufacturers….” – Dr. Andrew Harms, BDS, former fluoridation promoter and former President of the South Australian division of the Australian Dental Association (2013)

    • Steven Slott

      Really? Testimonials are your argument?

      Fine….

      “Numerous reputable studies over the years have consistently demonstrated that community water fluoridation is safe, effective, and practical. Fluoridation has made an enormous impact on improving the oral health of the American people. ”
      “Our country is fortunate to have over 204 million Americans living in fluoridated communities and having access to the health and economic benefits of this vital public health measure.”
      Sincerely,

      Jeffrey S. Flier, MD
      Dean of the Faculty of Medicine
      Caroline Shields Walker Professor of Medicine
      Harvard Medical School

      R. Bruce Donoff, DMD, MD
      Dean and Walter C. Guralnick Distinguished Professor of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery
      Harvard School of Dental Medicine

      Julio Frenk, MD, MPH, PhD
      Dean of the Faculty, Harvard School of Public Health
      T & G Angelopoulos Professor of Public Health and International Development,
      Harvard School of Public Health and Harvard Kennedy School
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      “I do not believe there is any valid, scientific reason for fearing adverse health conditions from the consumption of water fluoridated at the optimal level”
      —John Doull, MD, PhD, Chair of the National Academy of Sciences, National Research Council 2006 Committee Report on Fluoride in Drinking Water
      ———————————————–
      “With the development of fluoridated drinking water and dental sealants, Americans are less likely to experience tooth loss and gingivitis by middle age … Community water fluoridation continues to be a vital, cost-effective method of preventing dental [cavities].”
      Dr. Regina Benjamin, Surgeon General (2009-current)
      * * * * * * * * * * * * *
      “Water fluoridation has helped improve the quality of life in the United States by reducing pain and suffering related to tooth decay, time lost from school and work, and money spent to restore, remove or replace decayed teeth.”
      Dr. Richard Carmona, Surgeon General (2002-2006)
      * * * * * * * * * * * * *
      “More than 50 years of scientific research has found that people living in communities with fluoridated water have healthier teeth and fewer cavities than those living where the water is not fluoridated. … A significant advantage of water fluoridation is that anyone, regardless of socioeconomic level, can enjoy these health benefits during their daily lives — at home, work, or at school or play — simply by drinking fluoridated water or beverages prepared with fluoridated water.”
      Dr. David Satcher, Surgeon General (1998-2002)
      * * * * * * * * * * * * *
      “Data consistently have indicated that water fluoridation is the most cost-effective, practical, and safe means for reducing the occurrence of tooth decay in a community.”
      Dr. Audrey Manley, Surgeon General (1995-1997)
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      Fluoridation is “the single most important commitment a community can make to the oral health of its children and to future generations.”
      Dr. C. Everett Koop, Surgeon General (1982-1989)
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      The American Dental Association
      “Studies conducted throughout the past 65 years have consistently shown that fluoridation of community water supplies is safe and effective in preventing dental decay in both children and adults.”
      ————————————
      The American Academy of Pediatrics
      “Fluoride plays a very important role in the prevention of dental [decay]. Although the primary mechanism of action of fluoride in preventing dental [decay] is topical, systemic mechanisms are also important.”
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      The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
      “For many years, panels of experts from different health and scientific fields have provided strong evidence that water fluoridation is safe and effective.”
      ————————————
      The American Academy of Family Physicians
      “Fluoridation of public water supplies is a safe, economical and effective measure to prevent dental [decay].”
      ——————————————–
      The Institute of Medicine
      “Evidence continues to reaffirm that community water fluoridation is effective, safe, inexpensive, and is associated with significant cost savings.”
      —————————————
      The American Public Health Association
      “Much of the credit for the nation’s better oral health can be attributed to the decision in the 1940s to begin adding fluoride to public drinking water systems.”
      Steven D. Slott, DDS
      Information Director

      Steven D. Slott, DDS
      Communications Officer
      American Fluoridation Society

      • Seabreezes1

        “While four out of five dentists may be enough to pick a gum, all should agree before we force-medicate the public.” – Judge Peter Vallone, Jr., former Chair of the NYC Public Safety Committee, in opposition to fluoridation policy

        Organizational endorsements of policy are neither the equivalent of statements from independent scientists, doctors, and dentists nor are they representative of modern science. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fa25819435fcb1e9640204b079baad663703f1e3ec4b4391294516eed6c7e1da.jpg